November 13, 2012

Australian Judge rules that you can tell cops to "f*ck off"

A QUEENSLAND magistrate has ruled that it is acceptable for people to tell police officers to "f*ck off".
Magistrate Peter Smid yesterday threw out the court case against Mundingburra man Bardon Kaitira, 28, who swore at a female officer outside the Consortium night club on December 20, last year at 2.40am, The Townsville Bulletin reports. 

Constable Belinda Young gave evidence that Mr Kaitira used the swear word twice towards her after a group of officers patrolling Flinders St East poured out his girlfriend's drink. 

"The defendant said 'f*ck off' and starting walking away and I asked: 'What did you say?'," she said. 

"He said 'f*ck off" again and then said: 'I don't like the police you think you are all heroes'. 
"I told him it was an offence to swear at an officer and gave him two choices - a fine or be arrested." 

Mr Kaitira opted to be put in handcuffs and taken to the watch house. 

After winning the landmark case he explained outside court why he pleaded not guilty - despite admitting to swearing at Constable Young. 

"On the night it was completely over the top and I didn't think it was fair," Mr Kaitira said.

"Most people just cop a fine but I didn't want to do that." 

The defendant instead read through hundreds of similar legal cases before employing a leading criminal barrister and a solicitor to take on his public nuisance case at a cost of $4622.11. 

It was worth it for the horticulturist as Magistrate Smid said he was not satisfied Mr Kaitira committed an offence and police could be liable for his legal bills. 

"The defendant spoke normally, he had his hands in his pockets and walked away," Magistrate Smid said. 

"It's not the most polite way of speaking but those who walk the beat would be quiet immune to the words." 

The magistrate said overall the conduct of the defendant was not a nuisance to the public because it didn't interfere with fellow night club goers. 

"It was overkill by the officer who was not offended anyway," Mr Smid said. 

"But she pursued him clearly annoyed he hadn't shown remorse." 

Defence barrister Justin Greggery said the case was "doomed to fail" from the start, arguing that saying the f-word to police was "not an offence". 

"It was simply f*ck off - a common enough expression which wasn't descriptive like f*ck you or you f*ck," he said. 

"Really the word has lost its affect due to its use in books, films, and general speech." 

Mr Greggery added that police were trying to criminalise language, which set a dangerous precedent. 

"When they try to set the bar this low they are saying the word f*ck is criminal conduct," he said.

"This is language they use themselves on the job (while arresting offenders and to other officers)." 

However, police prosecutor Sergeant Richard Scholl argued Mr Kaitira's code of conduct was offensive and stinging towards the policewoman. 

"He displayed behaviour and made jibes with the intention to insult. Police should be shielded from this type of language and the community cannot accept it's OK for a private citizen to tell police to f*** off," he said. 

Queensland Police Union President Ian Leavers agreed and called for an urgent appeal of the case, which could set a precedent in Queensland law. 

"It is a sad day when the courts and government say it is OK to use four letter words at police," he said.

"To say it's OK to use offensive language at police in the street, who are just doing their job makes, no sense at all." 

Mr Smid will decide today whether the Queensland Police Service will cover Mr Kaitira's legal bills, which legal counsel later reduced to $2527.50 after a successful outcome. 

By law the maximum amount that can be reimbursed is $1500. 

The case follows that of Sydney student Henry Grech, who was cleared in May of an offensive language charge against police after a local court magistrate ruled the word "prick" was part of every-day speech. 


  1. I'd like police prosecutor Sergeant Richard Scholl and Queensland Police Union President Ian Leavers to fuck off.

  2. Too many people go to jail, and/or get beaten, tasered or killed when their only "offense" is "contempt of cop." Since when does ANYONE have a legal duty to mince and cringe and bow to any asshole with a badge? Do we really want the police to be such a special protected class, beyond reproach and above the law? I believe that's a grave error.
    If you cannot command respect by your conduct, you cannot demand respect by law.

  3. How about some equal treatment under the law? If it becomes a punitive circumstance to use the word "fuck" in any of its permutations to a cop, then it should precisely be just as illegal for a PO to use this same word in any way whatsoever towards any member of a community!

    For that matter, merely hearing a cop use the word "fuck" at all should get that PO arrested and charged with public profanity.

    Fuck-em if they can't take a joke.


  4. Right you are Spartacus Jones. Since "might makes right " became the mantra for the proletarian heroes synthesized in Pub Ed "facilities". The Public Mind is narrow indeed. ah leaf hoo leave

  5. Kudos to this righteous judge and righteous attorney. They certainly have my respect and I don't have much to give as far as the majority of them go including police officers. somewhere along the line this group has taken the belief that they are gods and may do as they please with impunity. Good to know that somewhere there are still some honest ones left.

  6. WHEN areas of the U.S. go through what Greece is going through right now, due to Central Banker GREED, you'll see people killing Unconstitutional, rogue cops. Period. There are VERY FEW of them. And, A LOT of ARMED Americans. I'm not saying it's right (or wrong) - I'm just saying: When the SHTF, rogue cops will most likely become targets.

  7. Why are they debating who pays the post action legal fees?

    The drama queen who arrested him in the first place should be the one to foot the legal bills....too obvious.

    On top of that if the arrestee decides to sue, and sues the department and not the individual, well then, he did not want justice....he just wanted a payday.

  8. Constable Belinda Young should carry a swear jar with her on the beat, fuck, maybe she'd make a fortune :)

  9. It appears as if the police use this language in an everyday sense to each other and when dealing with people they are arresting or interacting with! Why then do they turn around and want to be "protected" from the use of the same language around, or nearby, or to them by those same members of the community, or even their fellow officers? Are they going to arrest their comrade if he says ahhh fuck you to someone in the watch house who messes with his desk or coffee, as a joke or deliberately? I don't think so, if I was interacting with police for say a traffic matter and had an exchange of words over the alleged offence and the officer swore at me or in my presence I would never get a look in if I complained, but he/she can take me into custody if I do the same back? They want their cake and to eat it as well I think.